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[Released] Move Showcase: Scald

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    Introduction
    As new generations of Pokémon games grace our presence, we trainers expect four things: new content, new Pokémon, new abilities, and new moves. All of these are staples to the games.

    However, every now and again a new innovation pops up and changes the face of competitive play, sometimes permanently. Among these metagame defining moves would be Scald.

    On paper, the move doesn't seem all that impressive. Scald has a Base Power of 80, which is noticeably less than its predecessor Surf. However, what separates Scald from the other Water moves is the 30% chance of burning its target, and this leaves its targets in a bit of a quandary. After all, the only type immune to burns is Fire, which, of course, is weak to Water. Therefore, by type alone, there is no safe switch-in.

    Since this revelation, almost every Water-type that can learn Scald uses it on a regular basis. Typical bulky Water-types appreciate the reasonable damage and burn rate, while offensive Water-types barely notice the damage drop from Surf. Aside from physically based Water-types like Gyarados, and those that unfortunately can't learn it (such as Lapras, for obvious reasons), you can all but guarantee that both your Water-type, and your opponent's, will be packing Scald.
    But Why?
    As previously stated, Scald has a 30% chance to burn the target, effectively halving their Attack stat and taking timely portions of their HP away from them. This deters most physical attackers from switching into a suspected Scald user, for fear of rolling the dice and coming off worse. A burned physical sweeper is essentially useless, except for a few rare exceptions (such as those with Guts).

    For those with recovery, a burn slows them down considerably, and forces them to click Recover every other turn or so, while Pokémon without recovery are essentially crippled by it. Upon switching in, taking damage from the obligatory entry hazards, the foe's attack, and burn damage, can quickly add up to hefty amount of damage.
    Typical Scald Users

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    Suicune @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
    Bold nature
    - Scald
    - Calm Mind
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk

    The infamous Crocune, more or less an unchanged set since the inception of Calm Mind back in Generation 3, has only been made stronger with Scald in its arsenal. Now physical attackers—typically the only ones that can threaten Suicune due to it boosting specially—must be more wary than ever about switching in because Scald gives Suicune a 30% chance of simply forcing the physical attacker back out again, which only gives Suicune more setup time. Calm Mind boosts both Suicune's Special Defense and Scald's power, pressuring the opponent to damage it before it's too late. Rest keeps Suicune healthy, meaning it can—in tandem with Sleep Talk—fire off more Scalds and also set up more Calm Minds, making it a very dangerous Pokémon to face.

    Other boosting Scald users include Slowbro and Manaphy.

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    Alomomola @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 32 HP / 252 Def / 224 SDef
    Relaxed nature
    - Scald
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Knock Off / Toxic

    Despite its paltry base 45 Special Attack, the big fish Alomomola stands out as a Scald user due to its tremendous natural bulk. With its huge HP stat and Regenerator, Alomomola is able to pass mammoth-size Wishes to its teammates and keep itself healthy at the same time when it switches out, which really makes it difficult to wear down and enables it to keep switching in and annoying its opponents. While Alomomola won't be dealing much damage with Scald, the threat of a burn is always prevalent, not to mention essentially boosting its already daunting physical bulk even farther, and adding much needed chip damage. Scald and Knock Off work splendidly together by wearing targets down and providing insight into the target's strategies, while Protect simply makes sure Alomomola can heal itself with Wish in a pinch. Those who never use Knock Off, or who need a more reliable means of breaking their opponents down, can instead use Toxic for slow but steady damage.

    Among other Scald abusing Wish passers, Vaporeon stands out with its far superior firepower, noticeably better special bulk, and access to Heal Bell, which allows it to act as a cleric as well as pass Wishes. Vaporeon pales in comparison to Alomomola in higher tiers, however, due to it pressuring the opponent with the combination of Wish and Regenerator.
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    Keldeo @ Choice Specs / Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid nature
    - Scald
    - Secret Sword
    - Hydro Pump
    - Icy Wind

    Regardless of Scald being primarily a defensive move, Water-type powerhouse Keldeo is a big fan of it. It's an accurate, reliable STAB move that can burn targets for chip damage and keep opposing clerics busy, not to mention picking off weakened targets when Keldeo can't risk Hydro Pump missing. Choice Scarf sets can clean up late game with powerful, relatively accurate moves, while Choice Specs Keldeo excels in punching through tough walls with its massive Special Attack, notably being one of very few Special attackers that can get around Chansey and Blissey thanks to its infamous Secret Sword.

    Other offensive Scald users include Starmie, Empoleon, and Mega Blastoise among others. While the former two are far more likely to run a Life Orb instead of a Choice item, and Mega Blastoise is restricted to its Blastoisinite, all three are proficient at using Scald offensively.
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    Jellicent @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
    Bold nature
    - Scald
    - Will-o-Wisp
    - Recover
    - Taunt / Hex

    Jellicent's unique Water/Ghost typing and access to Water Absorb give it plenty of opportunities to switch in and wall opponents with its mixed bulk. Scald is, of course, a staple of its moveset, but Jellicent gets Recover, which only supplements its longevity further. Burning foes with Scald helps to patch up Jellicent's mediocre physical bulk, while pressuring clerics to keep the team healthy and also complementing Hex perfectly by boosting the move's power. Those not wanting to use Hex can instead take advantage of Jellicent's ready access to Taunt, which allows the ghostly jellyfish to disrupt stall teams surprisingly well.

    Other Scald users with recovery include Slowking, Milotic, and Quagsire. The former two are generally more specially defensive whereas Quagsire is usually physically defensive; however, all three use Scald very well due to their overall bulk and ability to stay healthy.
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    Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Liquid Ooze
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold nature
    - Scald
    - Rapid Spin
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Knock Off / Acid Spray

    Tentacruel's good Speed, rare typing, and access to both Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin make it ideal for entry hazard control. Much like Jellicent, Tentacruel really appreciates Scald burning its targets to help its average physical bulk, allowing it to better check physical attackers. Scald also combines exceptionally well with Knock Off and Toxic Spikes to weaken its targets and allow for a sweeper to mop them up late game.

    Tentacruel's other effective combo would be Scald and Acid Spray. The latter lowers the target's Special Defence by two stages upon contact, which makes them twice as vulnerable to the subsequent Scald, and thus, can leave serious dents. Physical setup sweepers must be especially wary of this tactic because they could be crippled by it before they even have chance to set up.

    Defensive Starmie is another Pokémon that can use both Scald and Rapid Spin. Its niche over Tentacruel is the ready access to Recover, as well as Natural Cure, a better movepool, and more raw power. Tentacruel's useful resistances to Fighting and Fairy keep it prominent, however.​

    Dealing with Scald
    Scald is by no means an easy move to work around. As previously stated, the only type immune to its burning effect is weak to the move itself, which would theoretically leave no safe switch-ins. However, there are some key answers.

    Water Absorb and Similar Abilities

    The likes of Volcanion, Gastrodon, and Toxicroak are all able to switch into a Scald free of charge thanks to their abilities that prevent damage from Water-type moves. In Volcanion's and Toxicroak's cases, they are even healed by the attack, while Gastrodon's Storm Drain would cause Scald to boost its Special Attack, only making it more threatening to face. These three Pokémon (and many others, including Jellicent, Heliolisk, and Vaporeon) are therefore able to switch into Scald all day long.

    Natural Cure

    The likes of Chansey, Starmie, and Roserade are blessed with the rare Natural Cure, which heals status conditions as the user switches out. This makes these Pokémon ideal for switching into a Scald because even if they are burned by the attack, they can simply switch out again to heal the burn. Many Natural Cure users also have ready access to recovery too, meaning they can come in again and again. It's also worth noting that many Natural Cure users have a fair amount of bulk and/or resistance to Water, allowing them to sponge a Scald fairly well.

    Clerics

    Pokémon with the moves Aromatherapy and Heal Bell have little to fear from a burn, and thus, can switch into Scald a lot more easily than most simply because they can heal the affliction afterwards. While the two moves have few PP, many common users of the move tend to have plenty of special bulk and recovery options, which lessens the impact. Exemplary clerics are Sylveon, Clefable, and the aforementioned Chansey.

    Rest

    While it does leave the user vulnerable for two turns, Rest can be used to recover HP and heal status conditions at the same time, which can remove Scald's threat entirely. In tandem with Sleep Talk, Rest users can somewhat reliably attack, thus reducing the pressure on both the user and their teammates. Typical Rest users include Snorlax, Suicune, and Shaymin, the latter of which combines Rest with its Natural Cure to keep itself status free.

    Magic Guard

    A rare but wondrous ability, Magic Guard can be found on Pokémon such as Clefable, Reuniclus, and even Sigilyph, and it allows them to switch into Scald with little to fear. Even if they are burned by the move, their ability will prevent them from taking damage at the end of the turn. Magic Guard users tend to have recovery too, meaning they can tank multiple Scalds throughout the match if needed.

    Water Bubble

    A recently unveiled ability, Water Bubble is essentially the combination of Water Veil and Heatproof because it prevents burns and halves damage from Fire-type moves. Water Bubble is the signature ability of Araquanid, which excels at tanking Scald due to its mammoth-size special bulk.

    Guts

    While far less ideal than the previously listed options, bulky Guts users like Hariyama and Assault Vest Conkeldurr have the ability to tank a Scald or two and take advantage of the burning effect by actually increasing their power. However, this should only be considered a last ditch option because Guts Pokémon with the bulk to tank Scald generally aren't fast enough to do anything about it, and those that have the Speed will generally die to two at the most. The Guts strategy will also backfire horribly if Scald does not burn them upon hitting. It is also worth noting that Conkeldurr's access to Drain Punch gives it a somewhat reliable form of recovery, meaning it can come in a bit more often than other Guts users.
    Conclusion

    With great neutral coverage, an extremely desirable secondary effect, exceptionally good distribution, and a reasonable Base Power, Scald has continued to polarise the metagame since its inception, perhaps becoming the most influential move of BW. Its impact may have been hindered just slightly due to SM's mechanic changes and burn damage being halved; however, the move remains exceptionally useful.

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    Omg, did you even read the dang rules? Even if it's a test article, ask a leader before doing it.
    Locking.
    P.S PM either E.T. or me, before that please make a post in the discussion thread.
     
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    I appreciate the enthusiasm to get started, and this is probably going to be a type of article that we will try, but please wait until your current article is at least to the Grammar stage before starting a new one for now. This restriction may be relaxed later once we get going more, but for now I don't want people to end up getting too much going at once. When your other article gets to Grammar, I'll unlock this one.
     
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    Yeah no to Parasect LOL.

    It's not worth a mention imo.

    Guts maybe, but no to Flare Boost as the only Pokemon with that ability are Ghost Balloon pokemon which would rather use Unburden.

    I think we should showcase 4 mons every Move article imo (that could fit the criteria for its format, mine has 4 as well) Also I think you should order it from OU-NU and... Alolomola and/or Jellicent might be more relevant than Vap.
     
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    with gen 7 coming out extremely soon maybe add
    water bubble ability for final post
     
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    What does it even do? You should have explained it cuz I have no idea lol. >_>
     
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    Water Bubble - Dewpider, Araquanid
    Lowers the power of Fire-type moves done to the Pokémon and prevents the Pokémon from getting a burn.
     
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    Yeah, fair points Joy. I only really listed Parasect because it was a third thing with Dry Skin. And maybe because of its niche in Ubers for dealing with non-Ice Beam Kyogre (though a bit archaic now).

    I'll probably reduce Water Veil and Flare Boost to mere mentions, seeing as there's nothing viable with either ability. Seem fair?

    I'll add Water Bubble too, because upcoming and useful.
     
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    Yeah, seems ok for now.
    Will post again when I have other things to say.
     
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    i think jynx gets dry skin. which tbh i'm a bit angry about for specific reasons
     
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    Because it makes Jynx look even creepier? That I can understand.

    If people are happy, I can replace Parasect with Jynx? It's got some niche usage in tiers above NU lol
     
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    imo it's a better competitive mon. if only it got freeze dry, it'd be an even better scald switch in. But let's not take away it from it as it's fast and can hit very hard.
     
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    -_-)? Jynx is worth a mention, yes because Lanturn and Vap exist in NU. But I'll tell you this, it should never be used in tiers above LU tbh.
    Maybe it has a bit of a niche in LU as a setup sweeper but tiers above? Yeah no.
     
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    It is usable in LU, yes. 95 speed isn't too bad for a sweeper that can put things to sleep and LK is a bother either way. Definitely more worthy than Parasect. Spore isn't that good.
     
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    I personally don't see the point in pandering entirely to OU, to be honest. Scald isn't an OU only problem. It affects all tiers, and some worse than others. OU might be the standard, but imo that doesn't mean the lower tiers should be forgotten about.

    But yeah, definitely Jynx > Parasect. Must've just slipped my mind when I wrote it originally. *shrug*

    Anyway, it's been updated. I've kept Vaporeon in not because of its relevance in OU (imo it's still fairly viable), but because of how exemplary it is as a defensive Scald user. Suicune uses it more for utility, buying setup turns and crippling physical attackers, etc, while Keldeo uses it offensively, and simply nabbing a burn here and there. imo Vaporeon is a good example.
     
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    It won't let me post video on mobile.

    Anyway the problem with Parasect isn't that it's not viable in OU, it's that it's not NU worthy either. Just a really shitty pokemon that has 1 good move. It's really only worth mentioning because it can absorb the move and nothing else.
     
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    No one told you to ponder entirely to OU. If it was OU only it would have been Suicune, Manaphy and Pony.
    Vaporeon is still NU, that said Alolomola has more utility over Vap with Scald+Wish in LU and above.
    Jellicent deserves a mention as well.
     
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    I think leaving Vaporeon is fine. There are so many "generic bulky Water-types" that many could be included in that spot. Mega Blastoise, Starmie, Politoed, Milotic, Manaphy, Tentacruel, Slowbro, Lanturn, Quagsire, Slowking, Empoleon, and Jellicent could all be mentioned as examples as well, but displaying sets wouldn't be needed.

    You mentioned that being burned cuts the Attack stat by half, but it would be okay to elaborate a bit more on how this causes physical attackers to be hesitant to switch in.

    Additional topics to discuss or mention could be the impact / usage of Scald in Gen 5, and that Scald can defrost Frozen Pokemon.

    Additional ways to deal with Scald that could be mentioned are:
    • Natural Cure users such as Chansey / Blissey, Starmie, Shaymin, and Roserade
    • Clerics (Heal Bell or Aromatherapy users)
    • Rest / Sleep Talk sets
    • Magic Guard users such as Clefable and Reuniclus
    Flare Boost should be removed because Drifloon / Drifblim are the only things that get it, and they are much better off running Unburden. Water Veil should also be removed because the Pokemon that get it aren't notable, but they have better options as well (Goldeen / Seaking can run Lightning Rod or Swift Swim, Mantyke / Mantine get Swift Swim and Water Absorb, Luminion gets Storm Drain, Buizel and Floatzel get Swift Swim). Wailmer / Wailord might actually run it due to a lack of options, or Huntail might try to run it over Swift Swim thanks to Shell Smash, but their potential usage to switch in / setup on Scald is definitely not relevant enough to be worth mentioning.

    I don't think these lines are necessary. Including something along the lines of "sometimes is seems like more / less than 30%" is okay, but it would probably be better to avoid throwing arbitrary percentages out there.

    Overall, I'm pleased with the format and how the article is coming along so far.
     
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    Okay, gotcha ET. I've reduced Water Veil and Flare Boost to the tiniest of mentions, is that okay?

    If not, I can get rid of it. I'll add the other stuff soon.
     
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    Water Veil and Flare Bloost should be removed entirely because they aren't practical to use. Switcheroo + Flame Orb Water Veil Floatzel is not a thing, but even if it was, it would also be too insignificant to mention.
     
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    Also I believe there was proof in the trailer that palossand takes damage from water moves
     
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    Ah, there was? That's unfortunate. I'll get them both taken out then. :(
     
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    You have got to be shitting me. Ice beam is literally the most commonly used move on Kyogre. Anyone competent enough to dress themselves in the morning should be running Ice Beam (or Blizzard) because you're in a tier full of fucking Dragons ffs.

    NameUsage
    1Ice Beam 75.40 %
    2Thunder 61.36 %
    12 Blizzard 9.27 %
     
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    O.o I see you're in an off mood today Fuzzy.

    Parasect's niche against Kyogre is mostly from gen 4/5, where CM Ogre and choiced were rampant. Hence why I said archaic.
     
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    Eh, Fuzzy. Parasect's mention has already been nixed out so it's ok.

    TBH, Jynx, Toxicroak and Heliolisk are all that dry skin needs.
     
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    ...damn I timed that well.

    I'll get this OP updated sometime tonight, hopefully. Damn my lack of time lately. O.o
     
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    Since you'll be updating it tonight. I suggest you remove Vaporeon or maybe turn it into a minor mention. I think Alolomola has more significance over Vap. Jelly deserves a mention like I had said before.
     
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    Yeah, Jelly I'll definitely add. Alomomola I'm more hesitant on though. It's got better physical bulk and Regenerator, sure, but absolutely no offensive presence, very limited special bulk, and no cleric abilities.

    Vaporeon might be less OU relevant, but imo it's the better Pokémon?
     
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    Actually it's the combination of regen+wish that makes it more relevant in defensive playstyles (stall included) as it keeps the pressure up by keeping both the receiver and the wisher healthy. It also gets knock off which is pretty cool to have.
     
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    Yeah, Knock off is a fun boon. As long as Vappy stays I'm happy, but I've no problem with Alomomola being mentioned. Maybe just fuck it and both? *shrug*
     
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    While I am opposed on Vap being here. E.T. seems neutral to mildly opposed on it. Man, I wish Aurist was here to break the tie!
    Alo's relevance is from OU to LU whereas Vap's relevance is from LU to NU.
    Make changes to the OP and we'll see what to do.
     
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    vap is a nice mon in LU. Leave it imo
    also water compaction still takes damage confirmed
     
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    You said it yourself. The most you could make out of Vap is until LU. But, Alol can be used in UU, and to make it more fun, it's usable in OU too!
    NIX IT! NIX IT! NIX IT!

    Though, yeah WCompaction, Pallosand would still get hurt by water moves! :<
     
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    but this isn't all about working in higher tiers.

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    also imo tentacruel/kyogre are addable. Kyogre one of the only scald users in ubers. tenta usually runs it plus its a spinner.
     
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    Fair points, guys. Of course, I can't example every prominent Scald user out there, but both of those are certainly doable. Keldeo and Suicune are there to stay, because they're obviously exemplary in how they use Scald. Kyogre gives Suicune competition... sorta, though in tier relevance, Suicune does it better imo.

    Then we've Vappy and Momo, who perform the same task slightly differently, and Tenta and Jelli, who are both good but for different reasons. Hmm...
     
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    I think what we can all agree on is that parasect is bad and it should feel bad.
     
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    Aww, poor Parasect. ;-;

    But yeah, I guess it can't be helped lol.
     
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    Next one mentioning Parasect gets Flamethrowered! >:|
    LOL, that said. We have Pony and Sui getting sure spots. And Kyogre, Jelli, Tenta, Alomo and Vappy hovering as potential users showcased here. I'll comment on all these when I get on a pc.
     
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    Okay, I've added a shitload to this. I decided to demote Vaporeon after all, into a subcategory beneath Alomomola. The two function very similarly after all, so I figured it wouldn't hurt. All of the other prominent Scald users out there either have a primary listing, or a minor mention underneath the main 'category'. Think it could work?

    I've also fleshed some things out a bit more. Did I miss anything?
     
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