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[NOC] Paranoia!

Discussion in 'Forum Games' started by Whereabouts Unknown, Oct 15, 2016.

  1. Annoying Orange

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    bandwagoning i guess
     
  2. willdbeast

    willdbeast All round nice guy

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    See I knew you would agree to my strategy
    Since I'm the one who suggested this whole idea I don't suppose I have much choice except to vote willdbeast
     
  3. willdbeast

    willdbeast All round nice guy

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    Wait I don't want to die
    unvote willdbeast
    vote draconova

    reasoning: he isn't me
     
  4. Whereabouts Unknown

    Whereabouts Unknown Absolutely Stunning Forum Moderator Channel Leader Forum Moderator Channel Leader

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    Final Votecount 9
    willdbeast - ajhockeystarr, DracoNova
    DracoNova - willdbeast

    willdbeast tried heroically to rally the town and remind everyone that all they needed to do was rand people. Unfortunately, they randed all too skillfully, and willdbeast was found at the bottom of the well the next morning.

    willdbeast was a Vanilla Townie.

    It is now Night 9. Everyone knows the drill by now.
     
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  5. Whereabouts Unknown

    Whereabouts Unknown Absolutely Stunning Forum Moderator Channel Leader Forum Moderator Channel Leader

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    Okay it's morning wake up.

    It is now Day 10. It is also MYLO.

    Happy hunting!
     
  6. Hopkirk

    Hopkirk +C

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    Special role should claim obviously. Not claiming in last 2 days makes me thinl third party, maybe survivor, is possible.

    Votes backwards:
    willdbeast - ajhockeystarr, DracoNova
    DracoNova – willdbeast

    DracoNova - willdbeast, Annoying Orange
    Hassin672 - DracoNova, Hopkirk, TraceofLife, Cheezeburgar
    Water - Hassin627

    Water - Cheezeburgar, DracoNova, willdbeast
    AJ - Hopkirk
    Draconova - Annoying Orange

    DracoNova - Annoying Orange
    AJhockeystar - Hopkirk
    TraceofLife - Ajhockeystar, willdbeast, Cheezeburgar
    willdbeast – TraceofLife

    Jethalal - ajhockeystarr, TraceofLife, Cheezeburgar (L-3)
    TraceofLife - Hassin627, Annoying Orange (L-4)

    VirajVora - willdbeast, ajhockeystar, DracoNova, Cheezeburgar, Jethala, Hopkirk (Hammered)
    willdbeat - VirajVora and hassin627 (L-4)
    Jethalal – TraceofLife

    EvilDingoRobot - DracoNova, Cheezeburgar, ajhockeystar (L-4)
    Water - EvilDingoRobot, Annoying Orange (L-5)
    Viraj - Hopkirk, Jethalal (L-5)
    ajhockeystar - Water, TraceofLife (L-5)
    Hassin627 - willdbeast (L-6)
    TraceofLife – VirajVora

    Results:
    Draco is either not voting, or on every lynch at any given time. Makes Draco look more mafia.
    Except for yesterday cheeze is on every lynch. Only first vote once. Makes cheeze look more mafia.
    Annoying orange is on 0 lynches. Everyone else votes Viraj. Makes orange look less mafia.
    Everyone voting Evildingo d1 is alive, everyone not voting or voting AJ is dead. Makes orange look less mafia, AJ more.
    Only me/cheeze/beast post d4. Nobody votes/no lynch occurs. Makes cheeze look less mafia. Though could be attempting to hide.

    In AJ’s main post before leaving for a while: Trace/Hopkirk/Wildebeast as 3 most town people. Votes were due to inactivity and ‘random’, but unless he forgot the prior parts of the game (which if he did he could easily reread and would as town) then these picks don’t make much sense.

    Thoughts overall:
    AJ is most likely mafia.
    Cheeze/Draco are next most likely. Cheeze slightly more.
    Orange is least likely.

    So I'd probably go with AJ/Cheeze as mafia right now.

    Will read more later, but there isn’t exactly a lot to go on here.
     
  7. Hopkirk

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    When is deadline too?
     
  8. Whereabouts Unknown

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    Deadline is 12:00 GMT Thursday.
     
  9. Cheezeburgar

    Cheezeburgar dankest john

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    what if we dont know we are the special role?
     
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  10. Annoying Orange

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    The paranoia is setting in
     
  11. Hopkirk

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    I'm probably not going to be able to post from around this time tomorrow until probably deadline. I intend to vote before then.

    'what if we dont know we are the special role?'
    Trying to imply something here?
     
  12. Cheezeburgar

    Cheezeburgar dankest john

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    no, im just saying it would be fitting for this theme
     
  13. Hopkirk

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    Draco and AJ have both been online recently (Draco in the last 10 minutes) and aren't posting.
    Either they are scum, or town who have abandoned the game.

    Vote AJ

    Can't guarantee being on again before deadline.
     
  14. Annoying Orange

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    sticking with my gut n voting draconova
     
  15. DracoNova

    DracoNova Cherlene's #1 fan

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    oh right,
    so anyways randing isnt going anywhere and topkirk has some good points
    but lets not put topkirk out of the radar either, we never know who is who
    i will add my thoughts and vote later, will be busy for the next 2 hours or so

    also, i love how someone keeps voting me for the past three votes despite with little to no argument on why
     
  16. Annoying Orange

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    you ran with everyone for no reason.
    my reason is that. you seem fine picking off just anyone
     
  17. ajhockeystar

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    Yeah tbh I agree with Draco, after reading through (I couldn't fully this morning because school) my gut is saying Hoppie. I feel like AO is just lazy town at this point, so the other scum would be among the other two, but idk I'm just feeling Hop for some reason.

    Vote Hopkirk
     
  18. Whereabouts Unknown

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    With about 7 hours left:

    ajhockeystar - Hopkirk
    DracoNova - Annoying Orange
    Hopkirk - ajhockeystar

    Haven't voted: DracoNova, Cheezeburgar
     
  19. Whereabouts Unknown

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    And that's a wrap.

    The deadline has passed, and because of the fact that vote ties result in all players with the highest votecount being lynched, 3 people were lynched: ajhockeystar, DracoNova, and Hopkirk.

    Which means that with just 2 players remaining, the game is now over! I will post a follow up in around 14 hours or so revealing the roles that the 3 dead players flipped as and then share the post-mortem.

    For now I'm too tired to do all that so I'll keep you all in suspense.
     
  20. Annoying Orange

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  21. Cheezeburgar

    Cheezeburgar dankest john

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    Congratulations, @Annoying Orange and @Cheezeburgar! You are the scummiest mafia players!

    Like many things in 2016, our game ends today with confusion and disappointment. Paranoia has driven everyone to the brink and in the aftermath of the town's final mass lynching where it executed 3/5 of its population all we can say is "that's stupid."

    ajhockeystar died and flipped as Mafia.
    DracoNova died and flipped as Villager.
    Hopkirk died and flipped as Mafia.

    And as everyone rises from their graves to see Cheezeburgar and Annoying Orange celebrating their success as mafia in taking over the town (as well as their success as a McDonald's happy meal) everyone asks, wait, wasn't I mafia?

    It is true. You will be familiar with the following message:
    Because everyone received that message.

    This was not a mistake. But there is a twist.

    All of you were the third role.

    And no, not a single Villager or Mafia spawned.

    As it is explained in the OP of the signups thread:
    "There are three roles that may spawn: Villager and Mafia are two of them."

    The third role was the Miller, which receives a misleading PM telling them they are Mafia when they are actually villager. All 12 players were the Miller.

    The win condition for the village was not explained in the OP. It was actually to continue until only 2 players remained.


    At this point I should be going because you are all grabbing your pitchforks for me and getting ready for a good ol' Lynch the Host, but before I go I wanted to list a few observations I made from the game:
    1) Mafia plays quite similarly even when all players think they are Mafia.
    2) Players would announce their scumreads pretty faithfully (i.e., public accusations lined up a surprising amount with the "I think [player] is mafia" PM to the host), but in the end players bandwagoned on inactive votes like crazy, even more than in normal Mafia.
    3) Annoying Orange and Cheezeburgar are scummy af

    When I have a bit more time (and the pitchforks have gone away) I will return and make a list of all the "I think my partner is..." Bonus points if anyone actually guessed each other!

    Feel free to discuss in this thread, whether you played or not. Unfortunately, the game is an experiment which is hard to repeat, but I would take criticism for how it could've been executed better nonetheless.

    For now, our winners and hereby recognized as Distinguished Scumlords are AO and Cheeze.

    Congratulations!
     
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  23. Cheezeburgar

    Cheezeburgar dankest john

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    what the FUCK

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  25. Annoying Orange

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    haha im the best bow down to me peasants
     
  26. DracoNova

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    grats mankey-t for winning without even thinking
     
  27. DracoNova

    DracoNova Cherlene's #1 fan

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    3) Annoying Orange and Cheezeburgar are scummy af
    agreeing,
     
  28. Annoying Orange

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    ban draconova for double posting imo
     
  29. TraceofLife

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    LOL I KNEW IT HAHAHAHAHAHA
     
  30. Hopkirk

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    This game lasted over a month, lacked prods, and wasn’t advertised as bastard yet lied in multiple ways in every player’s role pm.
    There is a reason bastard setups are advertised as bastard. This game sets a precedent for mafia on this site, and not a good one. I don’t see how anyone can now commit to a game on this site, especially if the game isn't explicitly advertised as non bastard.

    The only realistic win condition of ‘lynch the cop’ strongly encouraged playing against your actual win condition.
    How exactly are the people who weren’t lynched the ‘scummiest’?
    "There are three roles that may spawn: Villager and Mafia are two of them."
    This isn’t what signups said. They also said explicitly, ‘There will be 2 players given a Mafia role PM. The rest will be village-sided’.
    This game would not be playable on an active site. I almost subbed out when the host refused to provide a town role pm (as the mafia one basically limited the mafia to either effectively claiming mafia, or not posting because based on town role pm it could easily become apparent you are mafia, hence preventing a win). If I thought there would be a sub I would have left.

    My picks
    Trace, Trace, Trace, Cheeze, Wilde, Wilde, Draco, Draco.
     
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    ...Hop is right, this should've at least been advertised as bastard. Welp.
     
  32. Whereabouts Unknown

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    The OP actually doesn't lie. "2 players were given a Mafia role PM" (the rest where also given a Mafia role PM), while "the rest of the players were village sided" (so were the first 2). Those awkward sentences were intentionally ambiguous. The only misinformation was embedded in the Miller role PM, which is not considered bastard in an open setup. It is arguably in a closed one though. The same for any false role, depending on who you ask. Well this game was semi-closed, and so it was not technically confirmed bastard, so was not advertised as such. Is that a bs stretch to justify lying to every player? Certainly, but I am sure that if was openly advertised as bastard it wouldn't play as well. It was clearly gimmicky, and people had warning to be prepared for surprises based on the semi-closed setup.


    You are right and it probably wasn't a good idea to approve this game without bastard explicitly written, for the sake of future hosts. External problems of trust issues aside though, this plays well with any playerbase. Obviously if the rules were according to the Miller role PM it would have been hopeless for Mafia. The actual game plays well, as the isolated mafia feeling confused about how to approach a seemingly hopeless game was part of the design.

    And more about the bogus rules, those were intentionally there to give motivations for players to participate. The goal of lynching the Inspector gave players a reason to vote and land a pre-emptive strike on any seeming village leader. The vote tie rule prevented stalling and prevented simply countering to tie votes. Nothing was added without a meaning.


    I should have had a policy for inactivity though, especially with such quick phases. I apologize for that.

    Because every player was trying to lynch innocents or possible Inspectors, meaning those that appeared as possible Mafia were safer. Obviously players that were overtly claiming *cough* Virajvora couldn't be saved though.

    Also I laughed for like 5 minutes as Cheeze's last post lol

    Also s/o to ToL for figuring it out pretty much immediately after dying and flipping villager.
     
  33. Annoying Orange

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    pretty sure the real mvp play of the game though was the 2 afks not voting, therefor eliminating THREE PEOPLE the last night
     
  34. willdbeast

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    It was fun lol
    Would recommend 10/10
    Also advertising it as bastard would kind of ruin the whole premise of this theme so from my perspective all is forgiven